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this is somewhere in the skies the brain

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welcome to summer in the skies I'm your

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host Ryan Sprague a few months ago I've

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heard through several colleagues of a

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film coming out in Argentina about a man

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who had a close encounter experience

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I've seen every UFO or alien theme

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documentary Under the Sun and some were

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decent some were mediocre and some were

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just plain awful so when I heard about

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this project

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I originally brushed it off as just

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another fringe documentary but then I

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saw the trailer and then I reached out

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to the director having not spoken to

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many UFO researchers in America yet he

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was very excited to hear of my interest

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I screened the film that night and then

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I watched it again and again and again

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testigo de Oro media or witness of

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another world is in my opinion one of

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the most beautiful stories to ever be

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told about the UFO experience or

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phenomenon it's a deeply profound and

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powerful journey to the art of Ron

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Peretz a lonely farmer who secludes

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himself from society

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thirty years after having a UFO close

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encounter but with the help of filmmaker

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Ellen Steelman and the work of several

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Argentinian researchers and fade

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astrophysicists Jacque fell a pieces of

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the puzzle we gave to an orange and it's

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piecing together the life of a broken

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man in order to find his purpose and

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place in the world today Ellen and I

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talked all about the film his thoughts

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on the UFO phenomenon and just how human

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these possible alien encounters and

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truly make us feel Ellen thank you so

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much for joining me today on somewhere

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in the skies thank you for having me

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it's a pleasure it is such an honor to

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speak to you after having viewed your

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film about five times now yes um

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you know before we even get to what the

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film is about and how you made the film

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I have to say it is probably one of the

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most beautiful documentaries and most

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heartfelt documentaries I've ever seen

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especially within the UFO topic so I

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have to congratulate you first and

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foremost thank you right thank you

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your works means before we get to the

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film witness of another world Ellen I'd

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like to maybe ask you how you became a

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filmmaker where did your interest in

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filmmaking first start it started when I

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was 15 years old I was studying IT and I

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was a programmer in my head school but

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after some time when I was in my

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literature class I discussed a lot with

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a professor about movies about cinema

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about messages in the movies and he

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showed me a movie that changed my mind

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and my mindset completely the title of

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his movies and Topol from Alexander

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Calder Oskie and is a very surreal

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film that changed my perception

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completely after I saw that movie I

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didn't understand anything about what I

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was seeing but they I felt something

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inside of me that changed me I don't

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know why what and after that I said I

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want to make movies that can change

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people in in a way that it's not like a

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regular movie that has a story behind an

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ending for example in in El Topo it's a

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it's like a big puzzle of images of

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sounds of actions and I want to transmit

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that same feeling into my audience and

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that's the beginning of my career on

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mine on my journey of filmmaking

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that's fantastical and I mean I know I

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have the same sort of feeling I I write

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movies fiction movies and I remember my

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first film that really inspired me was

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by Alfred Hitchcock which was further

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new and I had the same feeling of I

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didn't quite know or understand what I

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was seeing what I was hearing but I knew

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that it was it was affecting me in a

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very raw or visceral way and that

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inspired me to then create stories so as

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a fellow you know filmmaker / writer I

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know that feeling well yeah the same

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feeling here yes absolutely

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well that brings us to to the film that

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we're gonna be discussing today witness

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of another world so maybe before we get

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to a lot of what the the film represents

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you know these these bigger

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philosophical questions how did you

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first hear about the story of juan perez

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and what happened to him as a child well

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the long short story is that it was 2013

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and i was doing automatic writing at

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that time and I was

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writing a story about an abduction a

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couple that was abducted by strange

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entities and I was not involved in the

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UFO phenomenon nor aliens but that time

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I didn't know nothing about that my only

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focus on my research side was just to

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dig into the mystery of a lost

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civilization in the world about what is

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below earth about my passion was

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archeology

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it was strange for me to to start

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writing about this kind of stuff so then

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after 30 pages of writing I stopped it

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was as a fiction story and then I

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started to investigate this this field

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is new field for me and then I when I

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was walking by my neighborhood I stopped

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on to a bookstore and I bought a used

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book that it was about cases abduction

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cases in Argentina it was written by an

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psychiatrist dr. Nestor Burlando who is

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one of the characters of the movie and

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then when I was in Rosario I've seen in

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four hours away I was presenting my

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previous movie umano and what happened

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is that in the audience was dr. mest

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over lambda C in my movie and I was

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grabbing his book while I was speaking

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to the audience and it was a hell of

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synchronicity we look each other and we

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said that we need to meet each other we

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need to speak about this this is not

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something by chance and the next day

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while we were having a pizza he started

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to speak about his most significant case

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that was the one first case and he

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showed to me as PBO that was when one

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was 18 years old he was speaking into an

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audience and when he started to say like

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well what happened to me

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he broke down it's one of the first

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scenes in my movie and then I realized

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that I was seeing something that was

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true I was in front of a broken teenager

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that was it's like struggling between

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his his own beliefs and she wasn't like

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allowed to express himself and it was a

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UFO audience they all want to believe

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him but inside of him he was saying like

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no one is going to believe me so

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immediately after I asked Burlando dr.

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Nestor Burlando to meet one and four

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months later I meet one and it was one

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of the most significant encounters that

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I ever had after that you you read the

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case reports on one's experience and you

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decided to to meet him so what was that

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what was that first meeting like what

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was he what you expected or something

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completely different it was something

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completely different because it was the

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first time that I meet some someone who

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who had an encounter who had that

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supernatural encounter it was my first

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experience with a contact II so I

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remembered I was I was recording the

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whole encounter with him and then he

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suddenly started to speak to me about

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his case about his encounter and then he

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broke down he started to cry and then I

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stopped my camera because I wasn't able

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to keep recording while he was crying it

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was very emotional for me and then I

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just sat down next to him and just

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listened and I started to feel very

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awkward it's not the accurate word it's

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more like I I started to feel more like

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strange I don't know what but one is a

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very special person and something from

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his aura just to put a word start to

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like embrace

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to me and it was really I spent like

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four or five hours with him and with dr.

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Nestor Burlando and after our meeting

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his he she said to us like please don't

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leave me come back again we are now

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friends and all those words like kept

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echoing in my head for three years but

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after that meeting but that time I only

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wanted to make a short film about this

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story but while I was editing this this

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short footage

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I wasn't be able to keep doing it I

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don't know why probably because I have

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to do this this movie but but that time

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I didn't know that so I like step away

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that footage ice and I started to dig

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into the UFO phenomenon I read all the

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books from Jack Valley

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I read plenty of books during the time

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of three years and after that time I

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started to feel more secure to make this

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film and I went again to Bennett world

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to the hometown of of one and I asked

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him the permission to start making this

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project and he said yes and that's the

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beginning of this this little story this

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little story that becomes something very

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very big and powerful and in the

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official synopsis of your film one is a

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self-proclaimed Gaucho so could you

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explain - maybe our American audience

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and what what is a gaucho what would

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that become well here in North America

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well the simple way to express is like

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the Gaucho they are like the Cowboys

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from South America a gaucho is a skilled

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horseman reputed to be brave and while

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they are mainly their mestizos persons

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of mixed blood health blood are

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indigenous and the other part are from

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so that's the best way to to describe

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them it sort of is almost the what you

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would not expect

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want to be you would expect him to be

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very very manly you know very macho and

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yeah yeah like we we view the Western

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Cowboys here in in America and he is

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such a a man filled with emotion and

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it's clear that whatever happened to him

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as a child affected him very

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dramatically and I think that's what

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really really brings the viewer into the

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film is whatever happened to one it

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affected him in many many ways and he's

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very forthcoming about his emotions and

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you were able to pull that out of him

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yes it was not that easy an easy job but

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when I was having like plenty of

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meetings with him I started to saw him

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as a broken child because in the outside

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you see like a brave man very big

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is a hunter he also has with his knife

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only with his life he doesn't use any

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kind of guns and he only hung for for

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eating purposes he's he's not

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recreational so you see like it he's a

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brave man but behind those signs I was

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seeing like a broken child that needs

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that was needing he who was asking or

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screaming for help and I think you know

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as the movie progresses he he finds that

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help in many ways which we will get to

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but I think for our audience Ellen maybe

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we should give them a little idea of

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what the actual experience is that one

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had I mean we don't want to give away

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too much obviously but this was what

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would we consider this a close encounter

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of the the second kind maybe well third

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it's it's hard it's hard to explain

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because when I was discussing this case

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we with dr. Jack Valley it's not the

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typical abduction case right because one

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hold on turret voluntarily enters into

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this ship so it's like in the middle

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from third or fourth we don't know but

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the the real case what happened

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it's like it was six o'clock in the

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morning September 6 1978 one left his

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home to find the herd of horses to start

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the fieldwork in his farm every day he

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he did the same thing because before

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going to the school he needed to make to

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make all the words in the farm that's

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the way his father like initiate him so

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it was six o'clock in the morning one

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rides his horse horse cometa it's common

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in English and he after after some

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minutes he looked about his head and see

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and he saw like three lights dancing

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very frenetically

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and he his dog his dog saw his horse who

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was getting a little bit upset and he

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was really really mad and one got really

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scared because he he was afraid to fall

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fall off his horse and then he come back

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to his house and tells his father like

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father father

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there is a there are big lights in the

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sky what should I do

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and his father told him like I sent you

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to find the herd of course it don't

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bother me with anything else just go and

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do your work and then he climbs again he

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is he's his horse he writes and he saw

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like a big fall not a typically fall

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during the dawn it was really strange

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for and he he passes and after that he

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found like a big it was like a big

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object a very very shiny white and he

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thought that he was seeing like a

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tractor or the house of work

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from the farm he wasn't afraid but his

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horse was really scared so he fall off

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he got off the horse and he goes into

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next to the this lets a ship and a

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ladder went off the the door the doors

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opened and a big a big like being shows

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up and says not not so sorry he like do

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with his can an invitation to to climb

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up and enter that ship so one climbs

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that ladder it was really hard for him

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to climb up because the stairs were

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really really tall and then when he is

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inside of this ship he saw two things on

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his left side

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there was a small beam like a meter or a

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metre and a half that was cutting meat

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on that table

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this small beam had instead of a hands

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he had scissors and he was cutting a

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meat without blood there was no blood in

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those meats that were in in that table

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and in the right side he was seeing this

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tall B that was like two meters and a

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half free eaters and he was like doing

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some gestures with his hands and so on

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monitors were in front of him he was

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like making some coordination I don't

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know but one of the biggest details in

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this experience was that in front of one

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there was like a mirror or a transfer

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and mirror something like an unending

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traumatic field that one couldn't pass

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through that glass when he tries to to

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enter to the space of these beams he

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wasn't allowed but at the the small beam

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with his because instead of black this

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small B had wheels so he was

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able to cross from one side to the other

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but one couldn't and after a while the

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door started to close and the one

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realized that his horse was like really

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mad and was really afraid not from the

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beans he was afraid of his father

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because his father was really severe and

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he was really strict with with one and

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then he climbed down and he realized

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that his his horse Wordsworth was

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injured because he was kicking to the

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lather and what happened to twenty-four

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hours later he is his horse died now I

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want to stop here because two things

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happened with after this this case in

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the original reports it says that the

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toll being helped one to to clean up

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today to the horse and then one goes

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back to his house with a globe that was

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a gift from this tall being he was he

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told one that I want to eat if T Beach

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peace to you because I want you to show

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to to your family as a proof of our

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contact but before he he could go to to

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his house three small lights came out of

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this big ship and took that globe before

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one could could enter his house but in

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our movie what we did is a regression we

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practiced for the first time a

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regression to point in order to see if

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some lost memories could come up into

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into the narrative and it and it did

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there is a part that wanted distal Bing

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grabs the arm of one the right arm and

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started to squeeze it and after that one

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started to have like a vision let's say

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a vision because I don't know what

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happened to him and I don't want to say

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what what he saw

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but what he saw was not part of the

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original reports so that was a real a

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real surprise for me and for dr. ness of

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Burlando also for dr. Jack ballet and

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when he saw that one started to cry a

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lot it was a very emotional part and we

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were doing like two hours of regression

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and dr. necessary lamda decided to stop

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it right there and that's why we

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couldn't finish the original story from

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the report but for me it doesn't care

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because it was more powerful what

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happened to Kwan and we keep that vision

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rather than that to stay focused on the

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on the original case report and make the

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recreation very accurate what another

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original report and I think you know

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what what he this vision that he had is

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plays a big role in how he interprets

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the experience later in his life and I

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want to talk about that in in a few

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moments but Ellen you did mention the

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the recreations and my god my friend

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these things were stunning

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the special effects that you used to do

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these these reenactments so I have to

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ask you who did your special effects and

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what was it like working with actors to

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recreate as accurate as possible what

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happened to one well for me it was an

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amazing experience not from the

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production side because it took us the

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half of our budget it was a great

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experience it was my first experience

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working with VFX a small team of the

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effect artists those those scenes and

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the when you mentioned the actor it was

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great experience dealing with with

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little one his name is Lucas and I was

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doing like a casting

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because I was trying to find some child

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who can ride a horse it's not easy to

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find actors in Buenos Aires because it's

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a city that knows how to deal with

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horses and Lucas was the last one and he

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he didn't know how to ride a horse but

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what why did I choose him well during

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the casting this is a really funny

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anecdote during the casting I asked the

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actor to see the sky and try to see that

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there seemed like an elephant with wings

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I didn't want to mention a UFO or a ship

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or a spacecraft I just wanted to to

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recreate an image that needs bizarre for

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them and try to see their eyes the way

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they look at the subject and Lucas was

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the last one and and I said to him well

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look look an elephant with wings and but

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I was really tired because he was the

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last one and I said you know what in the

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sky there is a UFO there is a space a

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spacecraft and you have to see Oh a UFO

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the one that my mother saw when he was

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20 years old I am I'm a really fun of

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UFO look at my notebook and he showed me

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that his notebook and there were

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drawings you follow the materials that

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they had he was doing like a very strict

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research and he was 12 years old so and

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I say to him you know what you are hired

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you're the one again the synchronicity

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is just keep coming back it seems yeah

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it was a synchronicity yes I will check

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my leg came to to Argentina we made like

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a special meeting with little Kwon and

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Jack ballet and chocolate gave to him a

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t-shirt from the NASA letters it was a

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really nice experience that's so cool

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you know meeting again Jacques Vallee is

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the the rock star of you follow yes

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no matter what country you come from and

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we will definitely talk about jock valet

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and how he became a part of this but uh

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before we get to that Alan I want to ask

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you about traveling to Paragon to

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interview several members of the the

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Guarani people distant ancestors of one

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so how did you come to discover that

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this is where one you know his lineage

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or his ancestors came from and what did

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they have to say about one's experiences

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thank you for asking this because it's

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for me it's one of the most important

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things on on the film well the story is

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that my first step in this project this

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project was to go to Paraguay because

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before I made this this movie I had two

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questions one of them was if there is a

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connection between how the ancestry or

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the lineage and the UFO phenomenon on

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people that have this kind of counters

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and the other question was if there is a

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connection between the afterlife and the

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UFO phenomenon also so that was my

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biggest question while I was shooting

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his story so I went to Paraguay because

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I wanted to have the answer from the

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spiritual leaders of the Huaorani tribe

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the warranty people that are the blood

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of one so I went there I met three

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communities that are one of their very

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very close communities because what any

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people are very strict with with their

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connection with white people they have

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the reasons of course of course a

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completely understand when I was there I

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met three two wise men and one wise

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women it was really powerful experience

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because when I met the first one from

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Tarko he started to say to me that this

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phenomenon is real

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but it's not real at the same time and I

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said like what do you mean by that and

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he started to describe in his words

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because when you talk with shamans or

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with indigenous people the way they

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speak it's very abstract very sad

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00:30:02,810 --> 00:30:00,510
symbolic and you need to decipher what

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00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:02,820
they are telling you so they were

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00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:05,970
describing me of this phenomenon as a

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holographic phenomena and while he was

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00:30:16,340 --> 00:30:13,169
speaking to me about this I remember all

539
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:16,350
the books from Jack Valley explaining us

540
00:30:23,149 --> 00:30:20,970
the theory of interdimensional a theory

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about that this phenomenon could come

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00:30:28,789 --> 00:30:25,890
from another dimension and they were

543
00:30:32,419 --> 00:30:28,799
telling the same thing and another thing

544
00:30:36,620 --> 00:30:32,429
that they mentioned to me is that this

545
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:36,630
kind of encounter happens to people with

546
00:30:47,330 --> 00:30:40,770
good heart with pureness with innocence

547
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:47,340
and that that feeling and yes that thing

548
00:30:55,279 --> 00:30:51,210
was one of the most significant things

549
00:31:01,100 --> 00:30:55,289
that one had because one is purely heart

550
00:31:04,310 --> 00:31:01,110
it's pure heart is so innocent and the

551
00:31:08,060 --> 00:31:04,320
other thing was like it's it's something

552
00:31:09,950 --> 00:31:08,070
that got me a little bit scared it's not

553
00:31:12,049 --> 00:31:09,960
part from it's not in the movie but

554
00:31:15,669 --> 00:31:12,059
because it was really hard to explain

555
00:31:21,010 --> 00:31:15,679
but they will be especially told me that

556
00:31:24,799 --> 00:31:21,020
this phenomenon has two sides one side

557
00:31:28,730 --> 00:31:24,809
represents the goodness and the other

558
00:31:32,299 --> 00:31:28,740
side represents the evilness so she was

559
00:31:37,370 --> 00:31:32,309
trying to say like we don't have to be

560
00:31:41,330 --> 00:31:37,380
blinded by by those these things we

561
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:41,340
don't have to be blinded by this by the

562
00:31:50,049 --> 00:31:45,690
light that comes from the sky we need to

563
00:31:52,130 --> 00:31:50,059
we as human beings we need to be able to

564
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:52,140
how do is how do

565
00:32:00,140 --> 00:31:56,250
I say decipher or or decode which side

566
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:00,150
belongs that phenomenon that it's

567
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:03,450
happening for a reason of course but

568
00:32:10,070 --> 00:32:06,330
sometimes our that they have like bad

569
00:32:13,700 --> 00:32:10,080
intentions for us so we it's not good to

570
00:32:16,430 --> 00:32:13,710
make like a cult or a religion around

571
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:16,440
this kind of phenomenon we need to be

572
00:32:23,540 --> 00:32:20,330
very very like practical

573
00:32:26,990 --> 00:32:23,550
she told to one that this happened

574
00:32:29,900 --> 00:32:27,000
because one needed to believe he was

575
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:29,910
trying to find himself

576
00:32:36,530 --> 00:32:32,370
in that time because he was 12 years old

577
00:32:40,660 --> 00:32:36,540
and for for the shamanic world the year

578
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:40,670
of 12 is very important because is the

579
00:32:47,300 --> 00:32:44,250
transformation into a grown man into an

580
00:32:52,690 --> 00:32:47,310
adult and there are plenty of reads of

581
00:32:57,110 --> 00:32:52,700
passage to summarize for them one had

582
00:33:00,950 --> 00:32:57,120
initiation a shamanic initiation but it

583
00:33:03,500 --> 00:33:00,960
was like stop because but that time he

584
00:33:09,340 --> 00:33:03,510
hadn't a shaman that could guide him

585
00:33:12,230 --> 00:33:09,350
into this world but 40 years after he

586
00:33:14,990 --> 00:33:12,240
forty years after thanks to our world

587
00:33:18,620 --> 00:33:15,000
which I believe with dr. Nestor padartha

588
00:33:22,820 --> 00:33:18,630
with all the shamans one could integrate

589
00:33:25,010 --> 00:33:22,830
his experience and understand why this

590
00:33:28,430 --> 00:33:25,020
happened to him because that was the

591
00:33:30,290 --> 00:33:28,440
only question that I had he had all the

592
00:33:32,780 --> 00:33:30,300
night why this happened

593
00:33:35,570 --> 00:33:32,790
to me that seems to be the biggest

594
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:35,580
question with any contact a year

595
00:33:43,220 --> 00:33:39,690
experiencer it's not so much what is the

596
00:33:48,010 --> 00:33:43,230
phenomenon who is in control of it but

597
00:33:50,060 --> 00:33:48,020
why why me and I've spoken to many

598
00:33:54,410 --> 00:33:50,070
experiences and that is the first

599
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:54,420
question is why was I chosen or why did

600
00:33:58,850 --> 00:33:57,210
this become a part of my life and that

601
00:34:01,940 --> 00:33:58,860
is a question they may be asking

602
00:34:05,390 --> 00:34:01,950
themselves until you know they they

603
00:34:05,860 --> 00:34:05,400
leave this mortal earth but for one I

604
00:34:09,070 --> 00:34:05,870
think

605
00:34:11,619 --> 00:34:09,080
right he he finally was able to finish

606
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:11,629
the initiation that would seem to have

607
00:34:19,240 --> 00:34:14,210
been interrupted at such such a young

608
00:34:22,149 --> 00:34:19,250
age exactly exactly and I know moving

609
00:34:25,030 --> 00:34:22,159
forward after the experience Juan had

610
00:34:28,210 --> 00:34:25,040
many dreams and dreams play a big role

611
00:34:30,820 --> 00:34:28,220
both in Juan's own life and and in the

612
00:34:33,010 --> 00:34:30,830
lives of the Negreanu people as well

613
00:34:36,310 --> 00:34:33,020
Ellen so could you maybe tell us the

614
00:34:38,139 --> 00:34:36,320
connections you and Juan made in terms

615
00:34:41,530 --> 00:34:38,149
of the dreams he had after the

616
00:34:46,690 --> 00:34:41,540
experience well that's a good questions

617
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:46,700
because when I when one started to speak

618
00:34:55,030 --> 00:34:50,810
to me about his contact his experience I

619
00:34:58,750 --> 00:34:55,040
wasn't be able to find traces of the

620
00:35:00,640 --> 00:34:58,760
trauma because it was it was not a

621
00:35:04,060 --> 00:35:00,650
traumatic experience

622
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:04,070
it was more like yeah a contact with

623
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:08,090
strange beings but there was no surgery

624
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:10,810
there was no experiment something very

625
00:35:19,810 --> 00:35:14,210
scary could that could lead you to a

626
00:35:23,110 --> 00:35:19,820
very traumatic home so after a while of

627
00:35:26,740 --> 00:35:23,120
research I realized that the most

628
00:35:30,570 --> 00:35:26,750
terrific part for Kwan was the the

629
00:35:34,390 --> 00:35:30,580
consequences of this encounter because

630
00:35:37,450 --> 00:35:34,400
immediately after his contact he started

631
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:37,460
to have premonition dreams precognitive

632
00:35:42,810 --> 00:35:40,010
dreams that was a truly nightmare for

633
00:35:46,750 --> 00:35:42,820
him because he was dreaming about

634
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:46,760
accidents about death from relatives on

635
00:35:53,890 --> 00:35:50,450
friends and plenty of them happened and

636
00:35:57,330 --> 00:35:53,900
he couldn't stop them so it was really

637
00:36:00,190 --> 00:35:57,340
frustrated frustrated for him so I

638
00:36:03,550 --> 00:36:00,200
wanted to understand what was the

639
00:36:07,690 --> 00:36:03,560
process of those dreams and one told me

640
00:36:12,430 --> 00:36:07,700
that if he dreams in his left right side

641
00:36:17,500 --> 00:36:12,440
the side of his mark because one after

642
00:36:19,630 --> 00:36:17,510
his toll being squeezed his arm he he

643
00:36:23,290 --> 00:36:19,640
had like a sumo

644
00:36:28,390 --> 00:36:23,300
all scarred in his in his arm and when

645
00:36:32,170 --> 00:36:28,400
he dreams with his right arm he tell he

646
00:36:35,020 --> 00:36:32,180
tells me that he goes into a real dream

647
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:35,030
more real than our reality

648
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:38,210
that's the way he described them but if

649
00:36:45,670 --> 00:36:42,650
he dreams into the he the left side he

650
00:36:49,210 --> 00:36:45,680
will have like regular visions like we

651
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:49,220
doing when we dream interesting very

652
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:52,130
interesting and then I realized the

653
00:36:58,060 --> 00:36:54,890
other thing that the warning people the

654
00:37:01,390 --> 00:36:58,070
way that they connect to the spiritual

655
00:37:04,030 --> 00:37:01,400
world is thanks to the dreams they go to

656
00:37:07,180 --> 00:37:04,040
sleep and they dream about the question

657
00:37:09,970 --> 00:37:07,190
that some people had for example if I

658
00:37:13,870 --> 00:37:09,980
have a nil nest and I want to have an

659
00:37:16,720 --> 00:37:13,880
answer the shaman goes to the goats goes

660
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:16,730
to bed and the morning after he will

661
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:21,290
tell me the answer of my my of my pen so

662
00:37:30,430 --> 00:37:25,370
one in a way this the the phenomenon the

663
00:37:33,370 --> 00:37:30,440
contact triggered him his own gift from

664
00:37:36,130 --> 00:37:33,380
his from his people but he didn't know

665
00:37:38,740 --> 00:37:36,140
that it's that discovery that

666
00:37:41,290 --> 00:37:38,750
self-discovery and having someone to

667
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:41,300
help guide you so the fact that he was

668
00:37:47,460 --> 00:37:44,690
now able to to communicate with the

669
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:47,470
shamans that must have been a very

670
00:37:51,820 --> 00:37:50,330
special moment for both him and for your

671
00:37:55,630 --> 00:37:51,830
film I would assume

672
00:38:00,280 --> 00:37:55,640
yeah indeed because at that time what

673
00:38:02,530 --> 00:38:00,290
while we were shooting one was one was

674
00:38:06,130 --> 00:38:02,540
thinking that he was the only one that

675
00:38:08,140 --> 00:38:06,140
had this kind of experience he never he

676
00:38:10,810 --> 00:38:08,150
never knew that there are plenty of

677
00:38:13,300 --> 00:38:10,820
cases around the world there are people

678
00:38:18,010 --> 00:38:13,310
that are having dreams like the warren

679
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:18,020
ii he felt that he was really really

680
00:38:25,990 --> 00:38:21,290
alone in the indus type this trip

681
00:38:28,230 --> 00:38:26,000
because around his people there were no

682
00:38:32,380 --> 00:38:28,240
one who had this kind of experience and

683
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:32,390
one doesn't have internet now he doesn't

684
00:38:35,620 --> 00:38:32,810
use

685
00:38:38,650 --> 00:38:35,630
like a cellphone so it's really really

686
00:38:40,810 --> 00:38:38,660
simple the way he lives right and a lot

687
00:38:44,170 --> 00:38:40,820
of people believe that that you know

688
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:44,180
that is actually a good thing you know I

689
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:45,770
I know in the film

690
00:38:51,670 --> 00:38:48,650
many of the Guarani people speak of the

691
00:38:54,670 --> 00:38:51,680
distractions that occur yeah you know

692
00:38:59,050 --> 00:38:54,680
mostly well throughout the entire world

693
00:39:01,960 --> 00:38:59,060
but here in America as well we have so

694
00:39:05,770 --> 00:39:01,970
many distractions whether it's politics

695
00:39:08,170 --> 00:39:05,780
or celebrities or or any of these things

696
00:39:12,550 --> 00:39:08,180
in our day-to-day life that distract us

697
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:12,560
from opening that door to known earlier

698
00:39:19,420 --> 00:39:16,850
monic world and it seemed so easy for

699
00:39:21,940 --> 00:39:19,430
someone like the the shamans are the

700
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:21,950
groaning people specifically to accept

701
00:39:28,270 --> 00:39:24,410
these phenomena that they just are a

702
00:39:31,540 --> 00:39:28,280
fact they exist when many in other

703
00:39:34,210 --> 00:39:31,550
countries refuse to either believe that

704
00:39:37,390 --> 00:39:34,220
or accept that into their lives I mean

705
00:39:40,930 --> 00:39:37,400
here in America our own government is

706
00:39:44,500 --> 00:39:40,940
just now acknowledging the UFO

707
00:39:47,530 --> 00:39:44,510
phenomenon officially when for 70 years

708
00:39:50,590 --> 00:39:47,540
they have denied it so I find that very

709
00:39:54,130 --> 00:39:50,600
interesting the the difference between

710
00:39:57,330 --> 00:39:54,140
cultures and how they interpret and

711
00:40:01,780 --> 00:39:57,340
accept or reject the UFO phenomenon

712
00:40:04,750 --> 00:40:01,790
totally new to me - well sort of the

713
00:40:07,180 --> 00:40:04,760
individual Ellen that I would say was

714
00:40:09,730 --> 00:40:07,190
the bridge between cultures in this

715
00:40:12,220 --> 00:40:09,740
incident was Jacques Vallee one of the

716
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:12,230
most important moments for me in the

717
00:40:17,050 --> 00:40:14,810
film how did that come about how were

718
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:17,060
you able to get Jacque the LA the man

719
00:40:23,410 --> 00:40:20,930
who does not do many movies interviews

720
00:40:27,430 --> 00:40:23,420
documentaries how did you get him to be

721
00:40:31,510 --> 00:40:27,440
involved with itself well the the story

722
00:40:36,610 --> 00:40:31,520
was that I wrote him a letter telling

723
00:40:39,490 --> 00:40:36,620
him that I was doing this film that one

724
00:40:43,210 --> 00:40:39,500
was not feeling well after his

725
00:40:46,670 --> 00:40:43,220
experience he got a big trauma and 30

726
00:40:51,050 --> 00:40:46,680
years later he still happy

727
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:51,060
has it and my only request was to go to

728
00:40:59,660 --> 00:40:55,290
San Francisco and make an interview to

729
00:41:03,770 --> 00:40:59,670
him and one month later I received an

730
00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:03,780
email saying that I was he was really

731
00:41:10,900 --> 00:41:08,730
sad about one and but that I didn't know

732
00:41:14,300 --> 00:41:10,910
that he would remember that case because

733
00:41:17,720 --> 00:41:14,310
it one it was one of plenty of cases

734
00:41:23,150 --> 00:41:17,730
that he studied but then I realized that

735
00:41:27,410 --> 00:41:23,160
he came to Argentina in 1980 with his

736
00:41:30,530 --> 00:41:27,420
wife and his wife Janine was a child

737
00:41:34,070 --> 00:41:30,540
psychologist and was a truly special

738
00:41:37,910 --> 00:41:34,080
case for them it was a very yes special

739
00:41:41,750 --> 00:41:37,920
because it was it was involved it

740
00:41:44,900 --> 00:41:41,760
involves a child so we do they really

741
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:44,910
care about these kind of cases and he

742
00:41:49,190 --> 00:41:47,370
told me that he was really sad about one

743
00:41:53,570 --> 00:41:49,200
that he couldn't integrate his

744
00:41:56,420 --> 00:41:53,580
experience he was also inviting me to

745
00:42:00,920 --> 00:41:56,430
San Francisco to make this interview and

746
00:42:04,550 --> 00:42:00,930
I said like yeah I made it and I started

747
00:42:07,220 --> 00:42:04,560
and then I finished that letter but one

748
00:42:09,620 --> 00:42:07,230
sentence before I finish it says like

749
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:09,630
something like I don't want to bother

750
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:12,480
you or interrupt your project or your

751
00:42:20,450 --> 00:42:16,650
idea but I think it could be a great

752
00:42:24,130 --> 00:42:20,460
idea if I come down and go to Argentina

753
00:42:28,250 --> 00:42:24,140
to help one and to stay with you guys oh

754
00:42:32,140 --> 00:42:28,260
oh my god what a gift and it was a true

755
00:42:35,570 --> 00:42:32,150
gift for me and for all of all of us and

756
00:42:39,170 --> 00:42:35,580
and then I started to change my script

757
00:42:44,300 --> 00:42:39,180
to change my my points of view my dick

758
00:42:48,770 --> 00:42:44,310
my ideas and all my yeah oh my my idea

759
00:42:52,340 --> 00:42:48,780
now was track was focused mainly to help

760
00:42:56,150 --> 00:42:52,350
one that was the only mission on our

761
00:42:59,060 --> 00:42:56,160
movie but I have to say that in the

762
00:43:00,260 --> 00:42:59,070
beginning of this project the idea was

763
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:00,270
to get

764
00:43:08,570 --> 00:43:04,050
answers of this phenomenon to try to

765
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:08,580
explain what is this UFO phenomenon what

766
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:12,210
we are dealing with but I had to turn

767
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:15,210
over because I was dealing with a broken

768
00:43:23,030 --> 00:43:19,770
man asking for help just by the way he

769
00:43:26,420 --> 00:43:23,040
looks and yet I have to quit the other

770
00:43:30,620 --> 00:43:26,430
idea the previous one and then I only

771
00:43:35,690 --> 00:43:30,630
focus on the human aspect of the UFO

772
00:43:37,340 --> 00:43:35,700
phenomena which I firmly believe Ellen I

773
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:37,350
can agree that that is much more

774
00:43:42,170 --> 00:43:39,570
important than what actually lay at the

775
00:43:45,710 --> 00:43:42,180
source of the phenomenon it's how it

776
00:43:49,070 --> 00:43:45,720
affects us and how it changes and how it

777
00:43:52,130 --> 00:43:49,080
how it humanizes us even makes us more

778
00:43:54,770 --> 00:43:52,140
human than we were before and I think

779
00:43:57,830 --> 00:43:54,780
that came across through the lens of

780
00:44:01,070 --> 00:43:57,840
your camera so well and one of those

781
00:44:04,550 --> 00:44:01,080
ways I think you really helped one is

782
00:44:07,670 --> 00:44:04,560
you found other witnesses who had seen

783
00:44:10,420 --> 00:44:07,680
things at the same time as his event and

784
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:10,430
you know without giving away too much

785
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:13,440
Carlos and Roberto were two individuals

786
00:44:21,530 --> 00:44:18,810
who almost vindicated or validated the

787
00:44:23,570 --> 00:44:21,540
experience of law in my correcting yeah

788
00:44:26,570 --> 00:44:23,580
you are correct and Chang Bali was the

789
00:44:29,390 --> 00:44:26,580
one who encouraged me go to find them

790
00:44:35,240 --> 00:44:29,400
because they there they were under the

791
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:35,250
radar after some research I found them

792
00:44:41,150 --> 00:44:38,490
and I asked them to be part of my movie

793
00:44:43,610 --> 00:44:41,160
I will do some little interviews and

794
00:44:47,090 --> 00:44:43,620
that's it and the two of them were

795
00:44:50,210 --> 00:44:47,100
really open about that idea but they are

796
00:44:52,490 --> 00:44:50,220
still really scared about what happened

797
00:44:57,770 --> 00:44:52,500
third more than 30 years ago

798
00:45:02,660 --> 00:44:57,780
and the good thing is that one was the

799
00:45:05,690 --> 00:45:02,670
only one who go into into the contact he

800
00:45:08,090 --> 00:45:05,700
he wanted to have that contact but

801
00:45:09,380 --> 00:45:08,100
Carlos and Roberto they ran away

802
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:09,390
immediately

803
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:14,490
after because Roberto was a lie

804
00:45:22,460 --> 00:45:17,610
riding a bicycle and then a big light

805
00:45:25,490 --> 00:45:22,470
red light started to - to light him and

806
00:45:30,230 --> 00:45:25,500
he was like stood and then he ran away

807
00:45:34,010 --> 00:45:30,240
and Carlos the same but one of the good

808
00:45:38,210 --> 00:45:34,020
things that I noticed from them is the

809
00:45:41,630 --> 00:45:38,220
innocence and then I remembered the

810
00:45:44,390 --> 00:45:41,640
words from Plutarch oh that this kind of

811
00:45:47,030 --> 00:45:44,400
experience happened to people that are

812
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:47,040
played like there they have good hearts

813
00:45:53,540 --> 00:45:50,850
they are innocent and I saw like a

814
00:45:57,020 --> 00:45:53,550
connection between Juan Carlos and

815
00:46:00,440 --> 00:45:57,030
Roberto because the free of of them had

816
00:46:04,850 --> 00:46:00,450
like a child expression in their eyes

817
00:46:08,030 --> 00:46:04,860
and I make like a reunion with there is

818
00:46:12,530 --> 00:46:08,040
a scene that I it's not part of the

819
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:12,540
movie the Carlos the carpenter and Juan

820
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:15,570
meet each other and it was a really nice

821
00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:18,690
gathering because they they started to

822
00:46:26,750 --> 00:46:24,480
speak about the their experience and it

823
00:46:34,370 --> 00:46:26,760
was really really really fun to see each

824
00:46:36,830 --> 00:46:34,380
other it was like an x-men reunion I can

825
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:36,840
only imagine I would love I hope you'll

826
00:46:43,070 --> 00:46:39,090
do bonus content where we can see I

827
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:43,080
really cool real I can imagine that was

828
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:45,210
a very powerful moment for all three of

829
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:48,090
them and wow that's fascinating

830
00:46:55,359 --> 00:46:51,570
well I I do want to ask you a big focus

831
00:46:58,250 --> 00:46:55,369
in the film as well is consciousness and

832
00:47:00,680 --> 00:46:58,260
how that plays a role in all this and

833
00:47:03,020 --> 00:47:00,690
that seems to be something you and

834
00:47:06,050 --> 00:47:03,030
Jacques Vallee have in common when it

835
00:47:09,340 --> 00:47:06,060
came to your discoveries in trying to

836
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:09,350
understand what the phenomenon is and

837
00:47:17,030 --> 00:47:13,410
you personally in the film you say that

838
00:47:20,240 --> 00:47:17,040
it's almost like projections on a movie

839
00:47:23,870 --> 00:47:20,250
screen and that is a good analogy for

840
00:47:26,540 --> 00:47:23,880
you the filmmaker to say so could you

841
00:47:28,130 --> 00:47:26,550
maybe elaborate on what you mean by this

842
00:47:31,460 --> 00:47:28,140
projections at a movie

843
00:47:34,340 --> 00:47:31,470
in relation to how consciousness may be

844
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:34,350
a part of the u.s. okay well who it's

845
00:47:41,210 --> 00:47:36,330
hard to explain

846
00:47:43,190 --> 00:47:41,220
yeah one of the biggest when I read the

847
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:43,200
book of Carl Jung the famous

848
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:46,170
psychologist that speaks about the UFO

849
00:47:51,980 --> 00:47:49,650
phenomenon he tells us two things that

850
00:47:55,910 --> 00:47:51,990
the UFO phenomenon has some physical

851
00:47:58,100 --> 00:47:55,920
aspect and he's not an expert from that

852
00:48:00,700 --> 00:47:58,110
field but he's an expert in psychology

853
00:48:05,090 --> 00:48:00,710
so he focused on the psychology

854
00:48:08,650 --> 00:48:05,100
consequences on those encounters and it

855
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:08,660
was really visible in one in one's case

856
00:48:15,500 --> 00:48:11,610
you can proceed that there was a

857
00:48:19,820 --> 00:48:15,510
specific consequence on his conscience

858
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:19,830
and after that he was able to have those

859
00:48:26,090 --> 00:48:22,530
dreams this promote recognition or

860
00:48:30,770 --> 00:48:26,100
premonition dreams but once at a time he

861
00:48:33,350 --> 00:48:30,780
wasn't able to like to to trace a

862
00:48:36,410 --> 00:48:33,360
connection between his contact and those

863
00:48:39,500 --> 00:48:36,420
dreams and apparently many of the

864
00:48:42,470 --> 00:48:39,510
witnesses are not able to trace this

865
00:48:47,540 --> 00:48:42,480
connection for example in the case of

866
00:48:50,900 --> 00:48:47,550
Carlos I asked plenty of things that are

867
00:48:53,270 --> 00:48:50,910
related to some powers or or some

868
00:48:56,150 --> 00:48:53,280
strange things that could happen to him

869
00:48:58,970 --> 00:48:56,160
after the contact and he always told me

870
00:49:01,010 --> 00:48:58,980
no no I had a normal life nothing

871
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:01,020
happened to me bla bla bla

872
00:49:07,190 --> 00:49:05,010
every time they contact peace tells me

873
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:07,200
the same thing that they had re a really

874
00:49:15,410 --> 00:49:09,090
normal life that it was something that

875
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:15,420
was random perhaps but after a while of

876
00:49:22,720 --> 00:49:18,810
chatting he told me an experience that

877
00:49:28,220 --> 00:49:22,730
he was cutting wood on his machines and

878
00:49:32,990 --> 00:49:28,230
suddenly one of his fingers was cut off

879
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:33,000
he took him the rest of his finger and

880
00:49:39,650 --> 00:49:36,930
he realized that no blood was coming out

881
00:49:42,170 --> 00:49:39,660
of his finger and it was really strange

882
00:49:44,690 --> 00:49:42,180
for him and then he go

883
00:49:47,539 --> 00:49:44,700
he goes to the hospital and the doctors

884
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:47,549
say what the hell why is no blood in

885
00:49:52,910 --> 00:49:49,650
your finger and he said that I don't

886
00:49:56,029 --> 00:49:52,920
know and there was a common joke among

887
00:49:58,250 --> 00:49:56,039
his family that says like you are you

888
00:50:00,769 --> 00:49:58,260
were being helped by the by your friend

889
00:50:01,609 --> 00:50:00,779
the aliens because everyone was laughing

890
00:50:05,589 --> 00:50:01,619
at him

891
00:50:08,750 --> 00:50:05,599
but the other part was that I want a

892
00:50:12,079 --> 00:50:08,760
Carlos told its experience to one and

893
00:50:15,260 --> 00:50:12,089
one replied to him like the Saint

894
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:15,270
happened to me when when my leg was cut

895
00:50:18,710 --> 00:50:15,690
off

896
00:50:22,039 --> 00:50:18,720
no blood came out of money my leg and

897
00:50:25,490 --> 00:50:22,049
then I start to realize that plenty of

898
00:50:28,430 --> 00:50:25,500
contactees are not able to to make

899
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:28,440
connections with these things because

900
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:30,410
they they took that

901
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:34,170
as an accident or unknown because they

902
00:50:40,789 --> 00:50:36,450
don't want to feel special when you have

903
00:50:42,589 --> 00:50:40,799
a real contact II you know that they are

904
00:50:45,740 --> 00:50:42,599
telling the truth because they don't

905
00:50:48,079 --> 00:50:45,750
want nothing from from it prefer to

906
00:50:52,730 --> 00:50:48,089
never happen to him it's more like a

907
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:52,740
curse rather than a gift so I truly

908
00:50:57,230 --> 00:50:54,690
believe in Carlos Robert on one

909
00:51:00,200 --> 00:50:57,240
experience because of that because they

910
00:51:03,049 --> 00:51:00,210
don't they are not winning money doing

911
00:51:07,609 --> 00:51:03,059
some lectures about their their contacts

912
00:51:12,740 --> 00:51:07,619
or helping others etc so after a while

913
00:51:16,670 --> 00:51:12,750
of research I started to see that the

914
00:51:19,910 --> 00:51:16,680
impact on their conscience is real but

915
00:51:23,650 --> 00:51:19,920
the bad part is that it's really hard

916
00:51:26,839 --> 00:51:23,660
for them to integrate that experience

917
00:51:29,569 --> 00:51:26,849
because it's more in a some subconscious

918
00:51:33,799 --> 00:51:29,579
level laying back rather than in a

919
00:51:37,549 --> 00:51:33,809
rational or the conscious level you know

920
00:51:39,799 --> 00:51:37,559
for anybody it's it's very hard to even

921
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:39,809
begin to comprehend consciousness we

922
00:51:45,650 --> 00:51:42,450
don't know what consciousness is or is

923
00:51:48,019 --> 00:51:45,660
not even so you know if this is the only

924
00:51:52,279 --> 00:51:48,029
way the phenomenon can really

925
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:52,289
communicate with us like you say project

926
00:51:57,890 --> 00:51:55,290
certain images to us too

927
00:51:59,990 --> 00:51:57,900
Vader message maybe that is the only way

928
00:52:01,460 --> 00:52:00,000
that we can ever connect with the

929
00:52:03,860 --> 00:52:01,470
phenomenon in the fact that it's

930
00:52:06,350 --> 00:52:03,870
happening through dreams or through the

931
00:52:09,860 --> 00:52:06,360
subconscious it's fascinating

932
00:52:16,010 --> 00:52:09,870
now you are saying these the shamans

933
00:52:20,030 --> 00:52:16,020
like they they first see the world of

934
00:52:24,740 --> 00:52:20,040
dreams some much more real thing that

935
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:24,750
our our reality when we are wake up so

936
00:52:29,690 --> 00:52:26,850
for them it's more that they the dream

937
00:52:31,970 --> 00:52:29,700
world is very much more important than

938
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:31,980
our lollies and we don't know what

939
00:52:37,100 --> 00:52:34,050
reality means we don't know nothing

940
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:37,110
about what is reality that's a very good

941
00:52:42,050 --> 00:52:39,570
point you know and we often think you

942
00:52:44,750 --> 00:52:42,060
know when we are asleep and we dream

943
00:52:48,290 --> 00:52:44,760
that we have to wake up from the dream

944
00:52:55,220 --> 00:52:48,300
when in reality is that truly waking up

945
00:52:56,870 --> 00:52:55,230
could be in this yeah that's I I think

946
00:53:02,690 --> 00:52:56,880
we're onto something there Ellen for

947
00:53:06,100 --> 00:53:02,700
sure well I have to ask in terms of

948
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:06,110
those who do experience these things

949
00:53:11,750 --> 00:53:10,050
abductees experiences they become a lot

950
00:53:14,090 --> 00:53:11,760
of them become obsessed with the

951
00:53:16,970 --> 00:53:14,100
phenomenon after they experience it I

952
00:53:20,750 --> 00:53:16,980
had a UFO sighting when I was 12 years

953
00:53:23,210 --> 00:53:20,760
old and I became completely obsessed it

954
00:53:28,310 --> 00:53:23,220
consumed my entire life you know I now

955
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:28,320
do a weekly podcast UFOs it runs most of

956
00:53:34,820 --> 00:53:30,810
my life you know to my my girlfriends

957
00:53:39,290 --> 00:53:34,830
dismay but um do you do you think it's

958
00:53:41,690 --> 00:53:39,300
our place to to try to figure out what

959
00:53:45,020 --> 00:53:41,700
the phenomenon are or should we just

960
00:53:47,570 --> 00:53:45,030
experience it and appreciate it when it

961
00:53:50,510 --> 00:53:47,580
happens because for some people that

962
00:53:53,690 --> 00:53:50,520
obsession can become unhealthy I would I

963
00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:53,700
would say yes so do you think well I

964
00:54:02,120 --> 00:53:57,530
think could the answer could be both but

965
00:54:05,180 --> 00:54:02,130
we have about because I think an

966
00:54:08,540 --> 00:54:05,190
obsession is good for anyone any kind of

967
00:54:09,380 --> 00:54:08,550
obsession it's not good because no

968
00:54:14,330 --> 00:54:09,390
extreme

969
00:54:17,330 --> 00:54:14,340
are good in our lives but it's not good

970
00:54:20,630 --> 00:54:17,340
also to just lead that experience and

971
00:54:24,110 --> 00:54:20,640
that's it to ignored it because I think

972
00:54:28,150 --> 00:54:24,120
it's just my own X my own idea

973
00:54:32,180 --> 00:54:28,160
he still this happened for a reason and

974
00:54:37,310 --> 00:54:32,190
each contact II or each experience er

975
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:37,320
had to deal why this happened to - why

976
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:39,930
this happened to it I don't think that

977
00:54:48,250 --> 00:54:43,170
we did the mission is to figure out what

978
00:54:51,860 --> 00:54:48,260
is the phenomenon right it's more like I

979
00:54:54,170 --> 00:54:51,870
will take the words of grandfather

980
00:54:58,850 --> 00:54:54,180
Francisco the last shaman in the movie

981
00:55:02,750 --> 00:54:58,860
that said that one was asking to himself

982
00:55:05,030 --> 00:55:02,760
he was seeking into his inner world

983
00:55:09,110 --> 00:55:05,040
trying to figure it out what is life

984
00:55:12,650 --> 00:55:09,120
what is that because remember when one

985
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:12,660
was 10 years old he lost his grandfather

986
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:14,850
and he here his grandfather was

987
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:18,930
everything to him and at the age of 12

988
00:55:25,580 --> 00:55:22,290
he was feeling really lonely really

989
00:55:28,550 --> 00:55:25,590
lonely trying to get answers and he got

990
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:28,560
an answer from the spiritual world in a

991
00:55:35,060 --> 00:55:30,290
world in a way that he couldn't

992
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:35,070
integrate our he couldn't interpret 8 so

993
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:38,490
I think that it's really important it's

994
00:55:47,390 --> 00:55:42,450
like it's like a carrot in front of us -

995
00:55:51,980 --> 00:55:47,400
and it's that lead us to find answers to

996
00:55:55,460 --> 00:55:51,990
our a Tyner questions i remember now the

997
00:55:58,010 --> 00:55:55,470
scene from Morpheus matrix that he has

998
00:56:00,890 --> 00:55:58,020
two pills and you have to choose if you

999
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:00,900
want the blue pill or the rose pink or

1000
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:02,850
the red pill I think the phenomenon

1001
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:06,450
asked us the same thing if we want to

1002
00:56:13,700 --> 00:56:10,650
still dreaming or we need we want to

1003
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:13,710
wake up and see what is our reality what

1004
00:56:18,110 --> 00:56:16,290
is it it is phenomenon what are this

1005
00:56:21,310 --> 00:56:18,120
connection I think different UFO

1006
00:56:22,890 --> 00:56:21,320
phenomena is the most important

1007
00:56:26,940 --> 00:56:22,900
phenomenon

1008
00:56:29,460 --> 00:56:26,950
that hacks our work our reality that's a

1009
00:56:34,049 --> 00:56:29,470
very interesting yeah way to put it

1010
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:34,059
it may be the only the only phenomenon

1011
00:56:41,130 --> 00:56:37,770
or you know technology that was able to

1012
00:56:41,730 --> 00:56:41,140
jump over that hurdle and communicate

1013
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:41,740
with us

1014
00:56:46,859 --> 00:56:44,770
that's fascinating yeah yeah well I have

1015
00:56:49,380 --> 00:56:46,869
to ask Howard do you still speak to one

1016
00:56:51,329 --> 00:56:49,390
do you think he'll ever travel to

1017
00:56:53,130 --> 00:56:51,339
America to talk about his stories and

1018
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:53,140
that's something you you could see you

1019
00:56:59,190 --> 00:56:56,650
as a possibility well it will depend on

1020
00:57:01,620 --> 00:56:59,200
him but if he gets an invitation I think

1021
00:57:04,589 --> 00:57:01,630
he will say yes because he loves to talk

1022
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:04,599
to people he will he's really he's

1023
00:57:11,339 --> 00:57:07,930
really friendly it's really warm and now

1024
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:11,349
he has no fears he now his resolute man

1025
00:57:19,019 --> 00:57:15,970
he can he can speak about his experience

1026
00:57:22,140 --> 00:57:19,029
without crying so it's it's a lot and

1027
00:57:24,109 --> 00:57:22,150
yes I'm still having plenty of

1028
00:57:29,099 --> 00:57:24,119
conversation with him after three years

1029
00:57:32,700 --> 00:57:29,109
I used to to speak with him twice a

1030
00:57:35,370 --> 00:57:32,710
month or once a month even I can speak

1031
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:35,380
with one I will speak with with his

1032
00:57:43,349 --> 00:57:38,250
siblings because he has seven siblings

1033
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:43,359
so yeah it's a big family so I'm really

1034
00:57:47,970 --> 00:57:45,970
close to to them I'm really close

1035
00:57:50,670 --> 00:57:47,980
because it was not a healing process

1036
00:57:53,370 --> 00:57:50,680
just took one it was a healing process

1037
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:53,380
to his whole family to his whole

1038
00:58:00,559 --> 00:57:56,650
community just to give you an idea when

1039
00:58:04,170 --> 00:58:00,569
we when we showed the movie in the

1040
00:58:08,069 --> 00:58:04,180
cinema from Bernardo his hometown the

1041
00:58:11,789 --> 00:58:08,079
half of the cinema was full of Paris

1042
00:58:15,029 --> 00:58:11,799
family the family one and after the

1043
00:58:19,980 --> 00:58:15,039
movie was done everyone was crying and

1044
00:58:24,359 --> 00:58:19,990
they they went to straight into to took

1045
00:58:27,630 --> 00:58:24,369
one and started to embrace him started

1046
00:58:30,269 --> 00:58:27,640
to say like I'm so sorry brother I'm

1047
00:58:32,910 --> 00:58:30,279
sorry that I never trust on you

1048
00:58:36,570 --> 00:58:32,920
now I understand you now I understand

1049
00:58:40,410 --> 00:58:36,580
why you run away and lived all of

1050
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:40,420
is life like in the loneliness so I'm so

1051
00:58:47,670 --> 00:58:44,170
sorry and it was a really hard

1052
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:47,680
experience to witness that but it was

1053
00:58:54,030 --> 00:58:50,650
really like healing it was really

1054
00:58:57,420 --> 00:58:54,040
healing for me I mean I I cannot tell

1055
00:59:00,240 --> 00:58:57,430
you just how powerful the film was and

1056
00:59:02,430 --> 00:59:00,250
how important I think it is and and I

1057
00:59:06,810 --> 00:59:02,440
can say this I have never once cried

1058
00:59:09,510 --> 00:59:06,820
during a UFO documentary and I cried on

1059
00:59:12,330 --> 00:59:09,520
several occasions so you definitely did

1060
00:59:13,620 --> 00:59:12,340
something right yeah yeah thank you

1061
00:59:16,470 --> 00:59:13,630
thank you for saying that

1062
00:59:20,370 --> 00:59:16,480
if this documentary wasn't wasn't meant

1063
00:59:23,970 --> 00:59:20,380
to cry but it touched you it touch your

1064
00:59:27,450 --> 00:59:23,980
heart because in a way after you see

1065
00:59:30,270 --> 00:59:27,460
this message probably you will get some

1066
00:59:33,660 --> 00:59:30,280
closure in your in your life

1067
00:59:36,660 --> 00:59:33,670
one could close a circle things thanks

1068
00:59:39,270 --> 00:59:36,670
to the movie and I have to tell you that

1069
00:59:42,750 --> 00:59:39,280
Jack valet also closed a circle because

1070
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:42,760
it was a really special the last time he

1071
00:59:49,290 --> 00:59:46,690
came to Argentina was with his with his

1072
00:59:53,780 --> 00:59:49,300
wife in some way he closed a circle

1073
00:59:56,850 --> 00:59:53,790
about that intimate how do I say like

1074
00:59:59,160 --> 00:59:56,860
idea or I don't know what happened with

1075
01:00:02,130 --> 00:59:59,170
his wife but it was really emotional for

1076
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:02,140
him to be there again with one in

1077
01:00:10,830 --> 01:00:05,290
Argentina talking about the this

1078
01:00:14,190 --> 01:00:10,840
phenomenon that after 30 years it got us

1079
01:00:17,010 --> 01:00:14,200
like reunited all together it was really

1080
01:00:18,810 --> 01:00:17,020
really emotional for us absolutely and I

1081
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:18,820
think you make a very good point that

1082
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you know while it affects the individual

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having the experience those

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investigating it or interviewing the

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people also are deeply affected by by

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the story by the phenomenon and by the

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people having it so for Jacques for you

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for me for every person who sees the

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movie it's going to have a different

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effects and maybe answer some questions

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but maybe pose new questions which i

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think is even more important

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don't Alito

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I think that that's the reason why we

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opened the door with this movie we

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didn't want to to get like straight

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answers about what the euro phenomenon

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is so it could lead us to to have plenty

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of new questions I love that well I have

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to ask you would you would you want to

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or do you plan on making any other films

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about the UFO phenomenon or is this it

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for you no it's not it I I have also a

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TV series idea trying to portray plenty

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of witnesses around the world and also

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my next project is not about UFO

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phenomenon specifically it's about what

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is below earth about this lost

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civilization but but I know for sure

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that there is a connection between this

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you have formed a UFO phenomenon and

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this lost civilization also oh that's

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great so you're returning to your your

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01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:51,700
original interest in in yesterday's I

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love that it's all come full circle yeah

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I suppose for me also yes I I wanted to

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make this happen because I will end my

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01:02:07,350 --> 01:02:04,090
like let's say trilogy of documentaries

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and then I want to jump into fiction

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that it's my my real passion I

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01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:12,280
completely understand yep I am the same

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01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:15,970
way well and when when when and where

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can we find the film witness of another

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01:02:25,650 --> 01:02:21,700
world here in America well the film will

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01:02:29,540 --> 01:02:25,660
be released on October 22nd on multiple

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01:02:32,790 --> 01:02:29,550
platforms and you can have the direct

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01:02:36,890 --> 01:02:32,800
information if you go into our website

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it's witness of another world calm

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01:02:42,990 --> 01:02:40,390
effect and I kind of want to end same

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01:02:46,050 --> 01:02:43,000
this year and one represents something

1131
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:46,060
truly special I think in all of us and I

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01:02:51,500 --> 01:02:49,210
left your film believing more than ever

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01:02:55,140 --> 01:02:51,510
that the phenomenon has many layers and

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01:02:57,210 --> 01:02:55,150
perhaps even many sources motivations

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01:02:59,400 --> 01:02:57,220
but I think what is most important is

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how it affects us on a human level and

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01:03:03,060 --> 01:03:02,680
it's reflected so beautifully in the

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01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:03,070
film

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01:03:07,380 --> 01:03:03,730
it puts

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01:03:09,390 --> 01:03:07,390
that mirror back on to us and I truly

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01:03:12,300 --> 01:03:09,400
feel that witness to another world will

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01:03:16,260 --> 01:03:12,310
be a very important piece in this very

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01:03:18,570 --> 01:03:16,270
mysterious weird puzzle as we move

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01:03:21,570 --> 01:03:18,580
forward so I have to thank you my friend

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for for the film and for also joining me

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01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:24,010
on somewhere in the skies thank you I am

1147
01:03:36,810 --> 01:03:27,970
thank you for inviting me and I'm really

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01:03:38,910 --> 01:03:36,820
glad that you like the film that's it

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01:03:41,070 --> 01:03:38,920
for this week's episode again you can be

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01:03:44,190 --> 01:03:41,080
witness of another world

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01:03:47,310 --> 01:03:44,200
beginning October 22nd on most all

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01:03:50,190 --> 01:03:47,320
streaming platforms to learn more and to

1153
01:03:53,460 --> 01:03:50,200
watch the film visit witness of another

1154
01:03:55,770 --> 01:03:53,470
world calm please take a few moments to

1155
01:03:58,590 --> 01:03:55,780
subscribe rate and review somewhere the

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01:04:00,960 --> 01:03:58,600
skies on Apple broadcasts your Android

1157
01:04:03,690 --> 01:04:00,970
apps or wherever you get the show it

1158
01:04:05,190 --> 01:04:03,700
helps us out tremendously I'm still

1159
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:05,200
looking for a couple of personal UFO

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01:04:09,630 --> 01:04:07,690
stories for the next volume of witness

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01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:09,640
cabins if you'd like to share your story

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01:04:14,940 --> 01:04:12,250
on the show contact me on Facebook

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01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:14,950
Twitter Instagram or through the contact

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01:04:19,859 --> 01:04:16,810
tab on the website somewhere in the

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01:04:22,620 --> 01:04:19,869
skies calm we're on Twitter at summer

1166
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:22,630
skies and Instagram at summer skies pod

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01:04:28,650 --> 01:04:25,930
thank you as always to e1 rogue planet

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01:04:30,810 --> 01:04:28,660
Katie are a radio and especially to you

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01:04:33,510 --> 01:04:30,820
for listening I'll see you here next

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01:04:35,450 --> 01:04:33,520
week and remember keep your feet on the

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01:04:36,700 --> 01:04:35,460
ground but never stop searching

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01:05:18,329 --> 01:04:36,710
similarly

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01:05:22,289 --> 01:05:20,519
somewhere in the skies is produced by

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01:05:24,209 --> 01:05:22,299
Third Kind productions in association

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with the entertainment one podcast